by Johnny Punish
Last week, at the GOP Primary Debate, all the candidates on the stage were asked if Donald Trump was the GOP Nominee for President and was convicted of a felony in any or all of the 91 charges against him, ‘would they vote for him?’.
All the candidates raised their hands except Asa Hutchinson and Chris Christie. That means Vivek Ramaswamy, Nikki Haley, Ron DeSantis, Pence, Scott, and Doug Burgum would vote for a convicted Felon. But why?
And so, this morning on “This Week with George Stephanopoulos”, GOP candidate for US President Vivek Ramaswamy was asked why he would vote for a convicted felon for US President.
Well, he tried to avoid the question just like most politicians do when they don’t want to answer a question. But he kept re-asking and pressing asking the same question in different ways as Ramaswamy kept bobbing and weaving like Muhammed Ali doing the Rope-A-Dope.
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In short, he never really answered the question ‘why’?
And so after Ramaswamy, they invited Senator Tim Caine on the show to respond. You remember him don’t cha? He was Hillary Clinton’s running mate in 2016; a slow boring milk-toast type of guy. Well, he said Ramaswamy lacked a “MORAL COMPASS” and then proceeded to say that the majority of the GOP has lost its moral compass.
And so I got to thinking “Moral”? Is he saying that they lack morals? And why would they vote for a convicted felon?
LET’S DEFINE MORALS
Morals are defined in the dictionary as a person’s standards of behavior depending on what they think is right or not. It governs our behavior and defines our intentions in everything that we do. It’s more than just what society thinks you should do. It’s that basic instinct of right and wrong common to all humans.
And if we add “Values” to the statement we can say moral values as relative values that are fundamental to human existence. They are born out of experiences that we can all relate to, regardless of who we are or where we came from. A value becomes a moral value when it’s intended to protect and respect life and make life better for everyone.
So has the GOP lost its morals or moral values?
MY INDEPENDENT OPINION
As an independent voter with no loyalty to either of the US Parties, what I hear is everyone has moral values but Sen. Tim Caine does NOT accept the new changed moral values of the GOP and their followers. They are clearly NOT his values at all.
But what are these new GOP moral values?
Well, they clearly don’t believe in the American Justice System. I mean, they keep incorrectly saying that Joe Biden or the prosecutors will be convicting Trump. But that’s silly. That’s NOT how 247-year-old American Justice works.
In the USA, they use a jury system. And the juries are who decide on convictions; not politicians or prosecutors. Juries are made up of average citizens. That’s Social Studies 101.
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So if and when Trump is convicted, he will be convicted by a jury of his peers and NOT by a prosecutor or a Politician like Joe Biden. Are we clear on this?
OK, so what George Stephanopoulos should have asked of Ramaswamy is ‘why he does NOT believe in the jury system; the American justice system and what would he replace it with’? I mean, this indie voter wants to know what he believes in.
Does he believe only a judge he appointed should decide cases? Or maybe, like in Saudi Arabia, only he, The King, should decide?
TRUMP COMMITTED A CRIME! PERIOD!
Donald Trump, in our faces and evidenced by a recorded audio phone call, attempted to overthrow the Georgia Election. Period! We all heard it. Trump heard it. He knows it. I know it. And you know it! Everyone knows it! So he’s NOT being selectively prosecuted by Joe Biden! That’s bonkers! NO! He committed a crime against the Georgia voters and he is being held accountable for it! It is really that simple! Period!
So that’s NOT the issue.
So what is the issue?
Well, the majority of GOP voters that have put Trump ahead in the GOP primary by 40% are still on board with an authoritarian anti-democracy person with zero character and integrity. But why?
And the answer is they have changed their “moral values”! Period!
What the foolish decent Senator Tim Caine does NOT understand is that for over 30% of the American public, their moral values have completely changed since Trump came down that escalator. Poor Ole Caine just does NOT understand it because he thinks they still operate under the old moral values of character, honesty, and integrity. They have no value for such things! Poor Ole Caine and his ilk are living in the past and it will cost them.
I know what’s that like because, back in the 1980s, I argued with my Palestinian brethren that they were playing checkers while the Zionists were playing Chess.
I told them to tell Yasir Arafat to switch his military fatigues, which sold well for his people but failed on the international stage, for an Armani suit. In this way, he would look the part of Western Diplomat; something the West would comprehend.
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I also told them to stop going to the Soviet Union for money and instead start paying off the US Congress. They needed to compete with AIPAC because that is where the actual battles were being fought; and where the war will be won.
They did NOT listen to me and failed miserably.
Now we basically have Eretz-Israel with Israel as the HQ of this modern European Colonial Vision created by Austro-Hungarian Theodore Herzl back in the 1890s (Judenstat).
BTW, The term Eretz Yisrael is not geographic, rather it refers to the land of the children of Israel, as in Joshua 11:22 where this expanded name is used. In early biblical usage, and sometimes later, Eretz Yisrael was referred to as Eretz Ha-Ivrim (land of the Hebrews) (Gen. 40:15). Use of the term Eretz Yisrael began already in the Bible (II Kings 5:2) from the time the Israelite tribes began to live in the land, but became widespread only later. Today, many see Eretz Israel as the occupation of the world and Israel, its HQ.
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Anyways, now, Palestine is surrounded by the IDF and they live at the mercy of these settlers. The game is over folks. The Palestinians Lost!
Using this analogy, you can see now, in many ways, America is facing the same challenge.
And if Americans do NOT face up to the truth that there is now an anti-American movement and face these people directly to their face, they will lose the chess game while they play checkers!
That’s the ART OF WAR people! Pretending these people care about character, honesty, and integrity will definitely end in a loss for the USA.
In fact, these extremist people don’t believe in Democracy and Representative Government. They have no use for the Republic!
This is NOT about creating a better America. This is NOT about getting rid of Biden’s establishment that supports the military-industrial complex status quo.
This is NOT about reforming Congress, The Supreme Court, and The Executive branch of government to make it a more perfect union.
There is NO DOUBT that America needs massive reform. That’s a given.
But they don’t care about that!
They themselves are SORE LOSERS; poor sports! They are not getting what they want so, fuck this system is their mantra! They are entitled selfish little bitches who don’t believe in compromise at all. Teamwork is NOT their thing. Making a bargain with Democracy…not their cup of tea!
So Character? Integrity?
Are you joking?
If they did believe in those traditional American values, they would have rejected the grotesque profiteer Trump back in 2016. They did NOT and do not.
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Yeah, I know many of them to claim they are ‘Christian’.
Trump himself claims he’s a Christian. But excuse me while I laugh my freakin ass off because if Jesus Christ himself was here, they would deport him because he believes in helping his fellow man and that’s NO LONGER on their moral values list.
In fact, the pastors of these phony Christians own mansions, drive fancy cars, and tell these people to send their money to Zionist Apartheid Israel instead of investing it at home for their communities.
Christians My Ass!
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So what exactly do they believe in?
Well, I wish Stephanopolis would ask that deeper question. But he plays around like an old-school talking head never actually asking the real question that counts
So I will answer the question here.
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First, they no longer believe in Democracy.
I mean Trump lost the election and remains America’s greatest Sore Loser and they love him for it. So good sportsmanship and fair play is NO LONGER a thing for them. I mean, if you lose a game and then still claim you won, you’re a Sore Loser and a poor sport. So that’s not it.
Second, Character? Integrity? What a laugh!
Psychopath Trump is a grotesque sociopathic human being who is loyal to no one and in it for himself; not the greater good. And they love that! He has golden toilets, bangs porn stars, and expresses a perverted desire to fuck his own daughter. That’s his values!
You see, we all vote for our values. And these GOP voters are voting for their values. The problem is slow foolish Senator Caine does NOT like those values so he labels them as a loss of moral compass.
No Tim! They have NOT lost a moral compass. They have actually destroyed their American Moral Compass and purchased a brand new one made in Trumplandia, NOT the USA!
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As for American Justice?
No! They don’t want the jury system because it’s something they cannot control. They want to rule over those they don’t like and tell them what to do. So Democracy and American justice do NOT work for them because it does NOT always go their way. And like their Trump Jesus Messiah, they are actually SORE LOSERS themselves who really want a golden toilet to sit on while they drink their beer in their lovely new country of Trumplandia; a place where only they belong!
Finally, my hope is that I am wrong about everything and the above is hyperbolic non-sense and that America will have an Election in 2024, Trump will graciously lose with dignity and respect for others, and his followers will finally accept American Democracy with grace, and continue to advocate for their values in the proper civil form afforded to them by living in Free Country that allows for civil discourse.
But where is the evidence for this? I don’t see it all at all. Do you?
Instead, my Las Vegas Money is on Trump claiming election fraud again and pretending he is the victim while his Trumplandians revolt in an idiotic circle jerk. It will be a complete mess.
But this time, it will be worse and cost the USA dearly.
I do NOT live in the USA so I will be fine. However, like so many investors worldwide, they are connected to the US economy so that’s an issue for people like me. And so, if I see this turning into total chaos, I will be moving my money out of the USA and moving away from US Dollars and into Euro and Bitcoin.
I do NOT want to be anywhere near the destruction that comes from allowing Mr. American Carnage to have his way in the new country of Trumplandia! No Thanks!
Protocol 1-11. The political has nothing in common with the moral. The ruler who is governed by the moral is not a skilled politician, and is therefore unstable on his throne. He who wishes to rule must have recourse both to cunning and to make-believe. Great national qualities, like frankness and honesty, are vices in politics, for they bring down rulers from their thrones more effectively and more certainly than the most powerful enemy. Such qualities must be the attributes of the kingdoms of the GOYIM, but we must in no wise be guided by them.
It doesn’t matter what you have to say on this issue. I voted for Trump and will vote for him again on the sole reason that he promised (and kept that promise) that he would not start anymore regime change wars. The warmongering politicians on both sides of the fence wanted him to invade Iran, but he didn’t. He tried to get us out of our illegal intervention in Syria and he set the state for getting us out of Afghanistan. But, he took on the trade imbalances with China and held other NATO countries accountable for what they owed. Unemployment was at its lowest among minorities during Trump’s administration. We also had energy independence and energy prices were significantly lower than they are now. With the Communist Biden Administration, inflation is at an all time high along with gas prices while wages remain stagnant. Finally, Biden is about to get us into WWIII with Russia giving no regard to the average Ukrainians while supporting one of the most corrupt governments in the world. So your moralizing in this article falls flat on its hypocritical face. Biden is the most corrupt president in American history and more and more Americans are waking up to that fact….finally. The tactics against Trump are akin to those of Stalin and Hitler. We have also learned that under Biden, free speech is under an existential threat. It’s clear from your article that you are not on the side of human freedom and liberty. Instead you are on the side of the communist left and all you have to go on are lies, insults, hate and shaming.
Pretty solid roasting of Trump and the always Trumpers no matter what. Not all of it is valid! Of course if Americans had gotten a president Trump that more closely resembled 2016 Candidate Trump? we would not be in this mess and he would have cruised to victory in 2020 on a solid majority. I see no sign or promise he wouldn’t talk and crawfish his way through a second term. But I like him!
I am quite new to this site and have been interested in a few of the articles…However, this particular one has me at once perplexed and frustrated…The author is clearly yacking out his thoughts about the millions of Trump supporters and attempting to put an all to familiar spin on the subject of Donald J Trump.
I, like one of the other commenters here…was greatly appreciative of his policies…and would very likely vote for him again.
In my lifetime I never would have imagined my country divided along political lines..The civil war was divided by regional differences and by the issue of slavery, but this, well, it’s a pity….Revisionist history….I would say that I am a moderate on social issues, and a conservative on political issues…Keep an open mind for a different view….
I would surely like to have a lively debate with the author, because…well, opinions are like a@#holes…everybody got one~~~~ He has nothing to back up his frothy opinions…
What ever you smoke Sir, please moderate it. You are all over the place, because you fear to face the ugly face of your vaunted justice system, which weaponised for LAWFARE against anyone the establishment cannot make tow the line of forever wars.
Over 2,000,000 men in US Prisons, most per capital of any country in world! Actually, I am fully aware that US Justice System is an outlier. And I am also aware that TRUMP crossed the line from leading a movement to openly committing a crime against the people of Georgia and The United States of America.
If only Trump could control himself he would NOT be in such a negative position. But he failed.
He could have been Lincoln, Gandhi, Mandela…instead he’s Benedict Arnold. He knows it. I know it. You know it. Everyone knows it!
In my opinion, you just need to come to terms with the fact that he crossed the line and made this about him. In the end, he lacked the character to be a great leader. Instead, he’s a Sore Loser.
If you really care about his policies, demand he sit down and take one for the team and make Vivek Ramaswamy his successor. He’s a political Trump Jr. and can take that Trumpian Policy message to the next level without breaking law. That would be the smart thing to do….except that this is NOT about what’s best for America. It’s about what’s best for Trump and that’s bad for all America! Think about it.
If you really care about his policies, demand he sit down, take one for the team and make Vivek Ramaswamy his successor. He’s a political Trump Jr. and can take that Trumpian Policy message to the next level without breaking law. That would be the smart and right thing to do for the team! America First! Think about it.
I agree with your position. But he chose NOT to be a Lincoln, Gandhi or Mandela. Instead, his draft dodging lack of character got the best of him and he crossed the line letting down millions of people.
Instead, if he truly cared about America First, he would sit his ass down, take one for the team and make Vivek Ramaswamy his successor. He’s a political Trump Jr. and can take that Trumpian Policy message to the next level without breaking law. That would be the smart and right thing to do for America First! But will he? I am taking Las Vegas Bets he won’t!
Sir, If you really care about his policies, I insist that you demand he sit down, take one for the team and make Vivek Ramaswamy his successor. He’s a political Trump Jr. and can take that Trumpian Policy that you care about to the next level without breaking law.
That would be the smart and right thing to do for America First! Think About It!
So have you lost faith in representative democracy? Are we condemned to be ruled by Kings? You raise philosophical questions indeed. Just wondering if there a practical way to assuage the Rule of Kings for us serfs? Awaiting your response.
I am worried about the system that can be weaponised at the whim of those who perceive themselves as above others. Trump is not the first one to question the outcome of an election, Hillary, and Gore before her also did. Trump is targeted because the system is terrified that he might be elected. I care less about who is elected President of the USA, nor for Trump for that matter, I am just sickened by the hypocrisy of it all. The less said about the shenanigans of the Biden’s and the response of the system, the better.
I dunno, you seem to be hammering on the gates with the same response to every comment but the last. Instantly makes me very leery of Vivek Ramaswamy, especially in light of your absence of why. Both Trump and Biden offer much the same “here you are, now believe in it or get left behind”! After four of one and almost four of another, I’m inclined to a more revealing candidate, one who doesn’t have a problem describing their intentions, replete with reasonable discussions of why and how that go along with their plans and a sincerity that speaks to the soul as intuitively genuine. Trump is in it for his ego already having reached a financial pinnacle and Biden is in it for the money which I think his personal beliefs on race will always keep him from achieving, but not attempting – and leaving a wake of utter destruction behind such – Not to mention his predilection for the younger citizenry!
But what I fear most, and what will probably take the day, is the pre-programmed idea of a two party (only) system which is historically proven and needs no more discussion.
I am sure Trump is going to take it by a land slide, such is the ever growing mistrust and outright hatred of Biden, especially in light of Trumps recent “coup” of the black vote which is currently still being pounded into the general public through his obvious social media campaigning. If nothing else, Trump is a terrifyingly fast learner and a card carrying aggressive narcissist. It’s when his opponent-based source dries up and voices begin sounding off against his true ways that he will once again sink his fangs into the country proper and by personal need finish the destruction Biden started, but in a much more underappreciated manner which only those who have encountered the hunger and wrath of a narcissist can ever truly understand or have a prayer of stopping. Those of us who have had the misfortune of dealing with these broken people know only too well that they must leave that which they purported to love, but which they only wanted to drain of their life force, only occurs by the utter destruction of such on every level to prove themselves the master of such and so ego-maniacally prove to themselves the self-fulfilling prophecy of their claimed sanity. Nothing could be further from the truth or reality. They (Narcissists, and Trump being one of the most terrifyingly adept) are the grand-masters of psychologically manipulative chess and the rest of us are playing marbles!